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  • Report | Quote Posted: Sat 26th Jul 2008, 10:58 am

    libertine21 wrote:

    i was a bit cynical about the whole heath ledger thing before going to see it as well as the amoutn of money its made, after all in hollywood death sells, not being disrespectful, its true.  but after watching it heaths perfromance was really good how he could change from being creepy to funny to scary amazing, the whole he should win an oscar think thats a load of rubish, a nomination at least after all the other films likely to have oscar contenders are not out till later in the year, then ppl can say whether he should win an oscar on the fact hes being compared ot other actors not that hes dead so should win. and the money thing i do think part of the reason it as and will make so much is cos hes dead u will get fans of heath going to see it who just want to see is final performance who arent necessarily bat fans. im propa gutted hes dead tho not cos the fact we wont get the joker in film 3 but because he was a realyl good guy with loads of taalent, the strangerst thing about watching the film knowing that hes now dead, rip heath

    I think he had the potential to be a top, top actor. Shame


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  • Report | Quote Posted: Sat 26th Jul 2008, 11:44 am

    I was so excited about this film i went to see it on a day other then Wednesday.

    Was it worth the money? Hell yes

    I thought the plot, action scenes, stroyline was amazing.

    The three maina ctors all played their parts very well, however ledger was in a league above them.

    He is one of the few people who made me laugh during a film, it was if he wasnt acting as was actually insane. The thing he did with his lips and his body language was awesome.

    The way he gets into peoples heads was good *SPOILER* Such as when he was in prison and was telling the police guy how he knew his friends better then him because he kileld them. I laughed at the part when he asked him how many he killed and the joker went "six" without saying a word lol*

    I liked the part when he dressed as a nurse and in the party

    Very very good film, 9.5/10.

    This and Iron man have been my two fav films this year.

    Ledger deserves an oscar imo.

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  • Report | Quote Posted: Sat 26th Jul 2008, 12:37 pm
    ITT: People who can't spoiler properly.

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  • Report | Quote Posted: Sat 26th Jul 2008, 12:43 pm

    Darkknightx wrote:

    He played the joker so well completely out played Nicholsons mediocre version

    Fucking blasphemy!!!!!

    Nicholsons Joker was completely different to Heaths. The two should'nt even be compared. But for the sake of arguement, "mediocre"? Jack did a way better job than Heath, just wait till Jack dies then everyone will jump on board with me.


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  • Report | Quote Posted: Sat 26th Jul 2008, 12:54 pm

    HippieKiYay wrote:

    Fucking blasphemy!!!!!

    Nicholsons Joker was completely different to Heaths. The two should'nt even be compared. But for the sake of arguement, "mediocre"? Jack did a way better job than Heath, just wait till Jack dies then everyone will jump on board with me.

    bit harsh

    people arent jumping on heaths bandwagon cos he was dead, hes just more famous now he is dead, and people will take more notice of is work, cos he wasnt at is best and he had is whole life ahead of him, hes now part of the cult death stars, kurt cobain, james dean, river phoenix, michael hutchence etc  stars who  had there whole life ahead of them, peoples who it is now are responsibility to keep there legacy going, because there unable to, to pass the music and the films from generation to generation. or you can be the cynic about it and say theyd have never been this succesful if they were still alive, you choice personally id go with the first, respect the artists for the work theyve done.

    at the end of the day its all down to personal opinion, there both good performances, dotn use heaths death as a reason people like him more than nicholson, thats just wrong. n if nicholson did die it would be completely differant to heath, jacks got a whole life of work, heath unfortunatly didnt so as got to be judged on the work he did, so what if is last performance was is best. its unfair to say thats the reason people say its is best is cos hes dead.

    n no im not just writing this cos he is dead, i was one of the most cynical people about y it made so much money and peoples hype of heaths performance, death sells. unfairly but due to peoples fasciantion with celebs and death it does. but i watched it, it was very strange watching it, but it was one of the best performances of the year (SO FAR, oscar nom - yes, oscar win - too early to tell)

    Last edited by libertine21, Sat 26th Jul 2008, 12:58 pm.

  • Report | Quote Posted: Sat 26th Jul 2008, 12:56 pm

    HippieKiYay wrote:

    Fucking blasphemy!!!!!

    Nicholsons Joker was completely different to Heaths. The two should'nt even be compared. But for the sake of arguement, "mediocre"? Jack did a way better job than Heath, just wait till Jack dies then everyone will jump on board with me.

    Jacks Joker was not true to the comics. He wasnt crazy and psychopathic enough for me. Tim Burtons batmans sucked tbh.I liked em as a kid but now when i go to watch em I just get bored. He made gotham city like some circus city or something. I never really like Tim Burtons style of directing

    I dont give sympathy votes cuz someones dead.Hell i didnt lie the guy even after he died,its only after this that i respect him as an actor. He was good so ill say hes good

    Last edited by DarkKnight., Sat 26th Jul 2008, 1:41 pm.

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  • Report | Quote Posted: Sat 26th Jul 2008, 2:33 pm

    Darkknightx wrote:

    Jacks Joker was not true to the comics. He wasnt crazy and psychopathic enough for me. Tim Burtons batmans sucked tbh.I liked em as a kid but now when i go to watch em I just get bored. He made gotham city like some circus city or something. I never really like Tim Burtons style of directing

    I dont give sympathy votes cuz someones dead.Hell i didnt lie the guy even after he died,its only after this that i respect him as an actor. He was good so ill say hes good

    I think Jacks stuck to the comic considering it basically showed how he became the Joker. Heath played a guy who wore make-up with sown up slit cheeks who is just insane and wants to create anarchy. I'm not defending Tim Burton though, Nolan did a great job with the franchise but to say Heath did a better job than Jack is way off. They both acted their characters in two completely different movies.

    A great deal of respect is givin to Heath because he's dead, it's unfortunate but it's true. Not to say if he was alive he wouldnt be praised for this but the whole "OSCAR!!!! TYME!!! FOR HEATH RIP ;( ;( ;(" is stupid. Both did great playing the Joker and cannot be compared.


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  • Report | Quote Posted: Sat 26th Jul 2008, 2:37 pm

    HippieKiYay wrote:

    I think Jacks stuck to the comic considering it basically showed how he became the Joker. Heath played a guy who wore make-up with sown up slit cheeks who is just insane and wants to create anarchy. I'm not defending Tim Burton though, Nolan did a great job with the franchise but to say Heath did a better job than Jack is way off. They both acted their characters in two completely different movies.

    A great deal of respect is givin to Heath because he's dead, it's unfortunate but it's true. Not to say if he was alive he wouldnt be praised for this but the whole "OSCAR!!!! TYME!!! FOR HEATH RIP ;( ;( ;(" is stupid. Both did great playing the Joker and cannot be compared.

    Im not one of those ppl that is sayin he should win an oscar and al that jazz. I just thought he did well.Oh and the comic Joker is much more of a madman than Nicholson ever was. Im sorry its just my opinion.We could argue bout this all day but lets leave it as Each to their own 

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  • Report | Quote Posted: Sat 26th Jul 2008, 2:46 pm

    Darkknightx wrote:

    Im not one of those ppl that is sayin he should win an oscar and al that jazz. I just thought he did well.Oh and the comic Joker is much more of a madman than Nicholson ever was. Im sorry its just my opinion.We could argue bout this all day but lets leave it as Each to their own 

    The oscar thing was towards libertine21 and true, lets leave it at that.


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  • Report | Quote Posted: Sat 26th Jul 2008, 3:09 pm

    Darkknightx wrote:

    Oh and the comic Joker is much more of a madman than Nicholson ever was. Im sorry its just my opinion.

    Completely agree. The comics are meant to be dark. It was the TV show and the 60s era that layered it with the psychedelia and pomp of the time, which unfortunately has carried through in all the Batman films and tv shows since. The comic has matured with the times since it became it's own branch of the DC world. Unfortunately, for some reason, people still associate it with that space in time of the 60s print and TV. The Batman character is, in the founding comics, as twisted and screwed up as the enemies he encounters.

    And this is where the current generation of films start. Where "Batman Begins" as it were. And if Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are closer to the founding issues of the comics, the versions of Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever and Batman & Robin are based more on the 60s comics and television series than they are on the original prints.



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  • Report | Quote Posted: Sat 26th Jul 2008, 3:15 pm
    Eek has hit the nail on the head

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  • Report | Quote Posted: Sat 26th Jul 2008, 3:18 pm

    Darkknightx wrote:

    Eek has hit the nail on the head

    the only convincing villain id say prior to begins and now dark knight , would be danny devito as penguin in returns

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  • Report | Quote Posted: Sat 26th Jul 2008, 3:23 pm

    HippieKiYay wrote:

    The oscar thing was towards libertine21 and true, lets leave it at that.

    the oscar thing wasnt aimed at u its aimed at everyone whos saying he should win an oscar, its just too early to tell.

    the fact yout hink heaths gettign all the praise because hes dead was aimed at u

    and you did compare them cos you said that jacks his better than heaths

    Last edited by libertine21, Sat 26th Jul 2008, 3:26 pm.

  • Report | Quote Posted: Sat 26th Jul 2008, 4:36 pm

    HippieKiYay wrote:

    I think Jacks stuck to the comic considering it basically showed how he became the Joker. Heath played a guy who wore make-up with sown up slit cheeks who is just insane and wants to create anarchy. I'm not defending Tim Burton though, Nolan did a great job with the franchise but to say Heath did a better job than Jack is way off. They both acted their characters in two completely different movies.

    A great deal of respect is givin to Heath because he's dead, it's unfortunate but it's true. Not to say if he was alive he wouldnt be praised for this but the whole "OSCAR!!!! TYME!!! FOR HEATH RIP ;( ;( ;(" is stupid. Both did great playing the Joker and cannot be compared.

    Jack Nicholson's joker was nothing like the comics.  Him falling into a tub of acid isn't in the comics (how he became the joker is unknown, like in The Dark Knight).  His name 'Jack Napier' isn't the joker's name in the comics (his name is unknown, like in The Dark Knight).  He didn't kill Bruce Wayne's parents in the comics (It was a random thug, like in Batman Begins).  In fact hardly anything about The Joker Jack Nicholson plays is the same as the comics.

    Heath played a guy who is just insane and wants to create anarchy?  Your point is?  That IS the joker.  He's not out for revenge, he wasn't dumped into a tub of acid by batman or the mob or anything like that (That's Two-Face)  he's just insane and he's not looking for anything in particular except to create mayhem, that's why batman can't figure him out.

    Don't get me wrong, I quite enjoy the character Nicholson plays in Batman.  But it's not the Joker, not how he's supposed to be.  You watch Batman and you see Jack Nicholson running around, dancing with face paint on.  Watch The Dark Knight and you see The Joker, not Heath Ledger.

    Also, there was a big buzz about Ledgers performance, waaaaay before he died. 

    Last edited by Random Hero, Sat 26th Jul 2008, 4:41 pm.



  • Report | Quote Posted: Sat 26th Jul 2008, 4:45 pm

    libertine21 wrote:

    i was a bit cynical about the whole heath ledger thing before going to see it as well as the amoutn of money its made, after all in hollywood death sells, not being disrespectful, its true.  but after watching it heaths perfromance was really good how he could change from being creepy to funny to scary amazing, the whole he should win an oscar think thats a load of rubish, a nomination at least after all the other films likely to have oscar contenders are not out till later in the year, then ppl can say whether he should win an oscar on the fact hes being compared ot other actors not that hes dead so should win. and the money thing i do think part of the reason it as and will make so much is cos hes dead u will get fans of heath going to see it who just want to see is final performance who arent necessarily bat fans. im propa gutted hes dead tho not cos the fact we wont get the joker in film 3 but because he was a realyl good guy with loads of taalent, the strangerst thing about watching the film knowing that hes now dead, rip heath

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