Human Rights go to far and piss me off. An example:

We are not allowed to close our borders to immigration, nor are we allowed to kick ILLEGAL immigrants out of this country. The EU enforced this and you know there reason? Its against there Human Rights. Human rights are over rated. 

And i am with vampir3uk, people who break the law here are more protected then the victims. And no one is in a situation where they cannot get food or money for food. The only people in that situation are the ones that spend it all on drugs or something. They chose drugs over food then sod em.

Was that in response to my post?

If so, in every one of your examples, like it or not, you were also a criminal, so they are invalid points.

Although I am not saying it is right for you to be deemed a criminal in such circumstances.

DarkKnight. wrote:

You say where do we draw the line?

I say as soon as you harm another human being. Say bye bye to your human rights.

If you commit a crime where you havent harmed anyone. You keep your rights.

but it isn't as simple as that. how do you define harm? just physical harm? or do we extend it to mental harm? then do we also extend it to harm to a secondary victim who's family member has been effected etc? and then when you do decide on the type of harm which is relevant..to what level of harm? a punch in the face or a knife in the chest? an insult or a real psychiatric problem? it's not enough to just say 'once they 'harm' another person'.

vampir3uk wrote:

If you video people breaking the law the police warn you to stop as you are infringing the rights of the little shits commiting the act by videoing them. If somebody breaks into your house and in the course of defending your family and your property you hurt them you face prosecution. And possibly my favourite one, if you boobytrap your home in order to catch/injure anybody who breaks in you can be prosecuted. If the shitbag was not in there in the first place he would not be harmed.

Many years ago I was attacked by a couple of lads, I fought them off and reported it to the police as they were well knock by them. I could not press charges against them however as I had defended myself and would have been charged for public disorder. Sorry, the criminals cannot be prosecuted as you fought back.

you don't face prosecution if you hurt someone breaking into your property. you face prosecution if you exceed reasonable force, and there are good reasons for this. if it was lawful for somebody to do what ever the hell they liked to a burgular, then this would be abused. what happens if you invite someone to your house because you want to give them a good beating..and when the courts asked you why u did it, you 'claim' they were trying to rob you..the courts have nothing to go on if this was lawful. you can't kill someone for entering your property..it's not proportionate.

and you can't 'boobytrap' your premisis because before the robbery takes place if it even takes place at all)..the offence is trespass, which is only a civil offence, not a criminal one. you owe a duty of care to people entering your premisis because you can't deliberatly harm somebody. for example, putting spikes on the top of a garden fence may deter robbers, but what about little kids who want to get their ball back?

and are you sure its an offence to video people committing a criminal act? because i don't think it is. when this man scratched my car, i told the police i was going to park my car, hide round the corner n vodeo him doing it, they advised me that i should. and you get videos being sent into crime tv programmes all the time to assist the police.

and in the case of your fight..it's hard for the police to determine whether you were attacked or whether it was just a brawl.

jokay wrote:

but it isn't as simple as that. how do you define harm? just physical harm? or do we extend it to mental harm? then do we also extend it to harm to a secondary victim who's family member has been effected etc? and then when you do decide on the type of harm which is relevant..to what level of harm? a punch in the face or a knife in the chest? an insult or a real psychiatric problem? it's not enough to just say 'once they 'harm' another person'.

You really are fishing for anything now.

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and in the case of your fight..it's hard for the police to determine whether you were attacked or whether it was just a brawl.

It was recorded on CCTV and clearly showed me to be the victim of a attack by people I don't know for no reason.