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  • Report | Quote Posted: Fri 21st Nov 2008, 10:28 am

    bjshooter wrote:

    White people aren't allowed to join the BPA? Serious question, who decides if someone is black enough?

    Edit: i do fail to see why they would want to, but still.

    The definition of "Black" does not refer to skin colour.

    The emphasis is on the common experience and determination of the people of African, African-Caribbean and Asian origin to oppose the effects of racism. Everyone within policing is eligible to join the NBPA (There is no barrier to membership)

    Vampire, your point doesnt stand.

    Last edited by MistaMeana, Fri 21st Nov 2008, 10:30 am.

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  • Report | Quote Posted: Fri 21st Nov 2008, 10:31 am

    MistaMeana wrote:

    The definition of "Black" does not refer to skin colour.

    The emphasis is on the common experience and determination of the people of African, African-Caribbean and Asian origin to oppose the effects of racism. Everyone within policing is eligible to join the NBPA (There is no barrier to membership)

    Vampire, your point doesnt stand.

    Well i think ended that argument then.


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  • Report | Quote Posted: Fri 21st Nov 2008, 10:52 am

    MistaMeana wrote:

    The definition of "Black" does not refer to skin colour.

    The emphasis is on the common experience and determination of the people of African, African-Caribbean and Asian origin to oppose the effects of racism. Everyone within policing is eligible to join the NBPA (There is no barrier to membership)

    They are however not allowed to become full members if they are not of a ethnic background, so the point still stands, they are a organisation that discriminates against people on the basis of skin colour. You are condemning one group for racism whilst defending another.

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    they just hide under the squeaky clean manifesto to lead their own racist agenda.

    This is your opnion, it is not a fact. The fact is that the manifesto of the BNP is that of a nationalist political party, not racist. Meanwhile the NBPA will not accept white police officers as full members into their own organisation. news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/David-Davies-Calls-Black-Police-Group-Racist-Monmouth-Conservative-MP-Attack-Over-Membership-Rules/Article/200810415130893

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    Full membership of the National Black Police Association, set up to promote race relations and equality in police forces in the UK, is only open to officers and support staff of African, African-Caribbean, Middle eastern, Asian and Asian origin.

    You are criticising a nationalist political party with racist elements within it whilst supporting a group that will not accept individuals purely on their skin colour. Marvelous, how insightful of you.

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  • Report | Quote Posted: Fri 21st Nov 2008, 11:17 am

    From a serving police officer.

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    Whilst I have no axe to grind with Mr Fuller, and therefore do not honestly know or think that he is racist, I find the NBPA's stance that white officers can't be members racist to the core. If a NWPA was started and ethnic minority colleagues were barred from joining there would be uproar.

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  • Report | Quote Posted: Fri 21st Nov 2008, 11:25 am

    vampir3uk wrote:

    They are however not allowed to become full members if they are not of a ethnic background, so the point still stands, they are a organisation that discriminates against people on the basis of skin colour. You are condemning one group for racism whilst defending another.

    This is your opnion, it is not a fact. The fact is that the manifesto of the BNP is that of a nationalist political party, not racist. Meanwhile the NBPA will not accept white police officers as full members into their own organisation. news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/David-Davies-Calls-Black-Police-Group-Racist-Monmouth-Conservative-MP-Attack-Over-Membership-Rules/Article/200810415130893

    You are criticising a nationalist political party with racist elements within it whilst supporting a group that will not accept individuals purely on their skin colour. Marvelous, how insightful of you.

    the manifest might not be a racist one... as ive already said they hardly going to make it racist, the law wouldnt have allowed them to develop into a legitimate party. it is my opinion and its based on facts i seen, read and learned about. their members are racist, they have proved this many times.

    now, i just had a very interesting phone conversation with one of the senior people at the BPA, who just confirmed that any one can join their organisation, irralavant of colour, white black half-cast or anything else.... i'm talking about full membership. if you dont believe me, give him a call. his number is on their site.

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  • Report | Quote Posted: Fri 21st Nov 2008, 11:29 am

    The National Front is allowed to stand in elections and they are a more recognised racist organisation than the BNP so if they wanted they could have made their manifesto one with heavily racist overtones, but they did not. They chose a nationalist manifesto because they are a nationalist political group.

    Now I've just been sat around and decided to make up something rather than rely on facts and had a interesting phonecall with Jesus Christ himself and confirmed that you will in fact not be saved during his second coming.

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    The MP's comments, made in a speech at the association's annual conference in York, were dismissed by its president, Ali Dizaei.

    He questioned why Mr Davies was not suggesting that the Women's Police Association should invite men to become members.

    Obviously you know better than the president of the NBPA.


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  • Report | Quote Posted: Fri 21st Nov 2008, 11:34 am

    vampir3uk wrote:

    The National Front is allowed to stand in elections and they are a more recognised racist organisation than the BNP so if they wanted they could have made their manifesto one with heavily racist overtones, but they did not. They chose a nationalist manifesto because they are a nationalist political group.

    Now I've just been sat around and decided to make up something rather than rely on facts and had a interesting phonecall with Jesus Christ himself and confirmed that you will in fact not be saved during his second coming.

    Obviously you know better than the president of the NBPA.

    as i said if you dont believe me, the number is right there ont he site, call him. go on

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    MistaMeana

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  • Report | Quote Posted: Fri 21st Nov 2008, 11:39 am
    Why would I want to talk to a member of a racist organisation? You don't think they have suddenly decided to start saying yes to queries on the phone due to the media attention given to this. I have the words of an MP sourced from a news article which was previously posted here along with the testimonial of another police officer from another website that have discussed this issue. You have "yeah I rang em and they said it's fine".
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  • Report | Quote Posted: Fri 21st Nov 2008, 11:41 am

    www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/oct/29/police-daviddavis

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    Members of the National Black Police Association (NBPA) probably did not expect the keynote speaker at their annual conference to suggest the organisation might be guilty of racism.

    But that's what happened when an invitation mix-up led to the wrong MP addressing the event.

    Instead of the former shadow home secretary David Davis, his near namesake David Davies, the Tory MP for Monmouth, was invited - and delivered a highly critical speech.

    Davies said the body's policy of only allowing ethnic minorities to have full membership could be considered "explicitly racist".

    He said the NBPA - which is backing and funding the Metropolitan police assistant commissioner, Tarique Ghaffur, in his race discrimination case against the force, should "check the truth" of discrimination claims before going to court.

    The Tory claimed it was "human nature" for people to blame race rather than lack of talent when rejected for promotion, the Public Servant Daily reported.

    "To me, it is a shame that full membership of the NBPA is open only to those of black, Asian or Middle Eastern origin," he told the conference in York.

    "Tackling racism and unfair treatment of ethnic minorities is something which is taken seriously by members of every race in the police force, and yet the clear implication is that white people do not share this concern.

    "It could be argued that this policy is explicitly racist, in that it bars white people, and implicitly racist in suggesting that white people care less about racism than people of black, Middle Eastern, Asian or African origin."

    The NBPA general secretary, Stafford Brooks, said: "There was an invitation sent out ... the wrong David Davies turned up."

    "Clearly, he did say some controversial things and it was quite upsetting for some of our members. But it was a very successful conference as far as we are concerned."

    Last edited by vampir3uk, Fri 21st Nov 2008, 11:42 am.
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  • Report | Quote Posted: Fri 21st Nov 2008, 11:42 am

    vampir3uk wrote:

    I disagree simply on the grounds that the BNP is a legitimate and legally recognised political party with candidates who have been voted into seats in a democratic election. If the police are allowed to be members of other political parties then it is discrimination. There is nothing to stop them from joining far left political groups or even Sein Fein. We are suppose to live in a free democratic society, I don't paticulary agree with the BNP and I think most people who support them are disillusioned with the current government and a little misguided. However, people have a right to be stupid in this country and if they wish to support the BNP then that is their right.

    The reason for me thinking it is right that BNP members should not be in the police force is the simple fact that if they have that power they are gonna use it to discriminate against ethnic minorities and foreigners.

    Im not saying all of them will as I do know that not every single member of the BNP is racist,however there are many that are.

    I just dont think that kind of power should be given to someone with prejudiced views. The police is one organisation which should be fair.

    Last edited by DarkKnight., Fri 21st Nov 2008, 11:44 am.

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  • Report | Quote Posted: Fri 21st Nov 2008, 11:45 am

    vampir3uk wrote:

    Why would I want to talk to a member of a racist organisation? You don't think they have suddenly decided to start saying yes to queries on the phone due to the media attention given to this. I have the words of an MP sourced from a news article which was previously posted here along with the testimonial of another police officer from another website that have discussed this issue. You have "yeah I rang em and they said it's fine".

    lol u really do have a way of dismissing peoples points and twisting words to suit your argument.

    my question to him was, can anyone join, answer was yes as long as they are serving police officers, second question was, would white police officers be able to join, answer was yes, they are there to help against descrimination against ethnic minoritties since there was not specific organisation that had the knowledge and expertise to do this, but any race is welcome.

    yeah well done for your "news" article... reliable source.

    why dont you open your mind and actually ring and ask him what you like?

    we just going around in circles. we shalle have to agree to disargee yes?

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  • Report | Quote Posted: Fri 21st Nov 2008, 11:47 am

    www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1081318/Tory-MP-addresses-National-Black-Police-Association-annual-conference--blasts-THEM-racist.html

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    A Tory MP has provoked fury by accusing Britain's black police leaders of being racist.

    David Davies said black police representatives in London had behaved worse than the apartheid regime in South Africa by urging ethnic minorities not to join the Metropolitan Police force.

    In a speech to the National Black Police Association annual conference, he also slammed the organisation for not allowing white people interested in fighting racism to become full members.

    His comments sparked an angry reaction from delegates. Up to a dozen walked out in protest and others slow-handclapped the MP for Monmouth, who was likened to a BNP extremist.

    Many members had expected the more famous former shadow home secretary to be speaking and few recognised his namesake, who is also a member of the Home Affairs Select Committee, when he stood up to speak.

    But minutes later they were left open-mouthed by his straight-talking criticism of them.

    Mr Davies, 38, told them the Black Police Association should do more to 'build trust and mutual respect between members of all races and religions within the force.'

    He added :'To me it is a shame that full membership of the BPA is open only to those of black, Asian or Middle Eastern origin.

    'Tackling racism and unfair treatment of ethnic minorities is something which is taken seriously by members of every race in the police force and yet the clear implication of such a policy is that white people do not share this concern.'

    He said many white officers mistrusted the BPA because they were denied membership by a policy which 'would be unacceptable and probably illegal in virtually any other organisation in this country.'

    Commenting on the race row embroiling the Metropolitan Police, Mr Davies pulled no punches.

    'As a result of the decision to actively discourage members of the ethnic minorities from joining the Met, the BPA has become the only publicly-funded organisation to say that the police should be for whites only. That cannot be acceptable.'

    He went on: 'Not even the apartheid regime in South Africa prevented black and Asian people from joining the police force, where on earth are we going?'

    Mr Davies said the BPA should follow the former Commission for Racial Equality and also be willing to represent white officers who have suffered discrimination at employment tribunals. He said black police leaders should 'not act and speak up for every ethnic group bar one.'

    Later, in a question and answer session, Mr Davies was forced to fend off a barrage of criticism, telling the conference: 'You invited me to come here, if you wanted someone just to turn up and give the same old speech you should have picked somebody else.'

    Dave Macfarlane, General Secretary of the London BPA, said: 'I am sick and tired of white people coming to us to insult us, he's like the BNP in the 1980's.'

    Vinny Tomlinson from the Merseyside branch accused the MP of 'demonstrating ignorance and immaturity' in his lack of understanding of race issues.

    While US black police leader Ron Hampton told delegates in a reference to the MP: 'You can't allow people to disrespect you. Don't for one minute think what he said carries any weight.'

    Commander Ali Dizaei, President of the NBPA, said he didn't accept the criticism. He said a white person could become an 'associate member' and added: 'The organisation was created to represent the needs of ethnic monorities.'

    So they also invited the wrong person to give a speech at their intended backslapping and whispering sweet nothings in each others ears conference and instead got hit with a sledgehammer. Racist and incompetant.


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  • Report | Quote Posted: Fri 21st Nov 2008, 11:48 am

    MistaMeana wrote:

    lol u really do have a way of dismissing peoples points and twisting words to suit your argument.

    my question to him was, can anyone join, answer was yes as long as they are serving police officers, second question was, would white police officers be able to join, answer was yes, they are there to help against descrimination against ethnic minoritties since there was not specific organisation that had the knowledge and expertise to do this, but any race is welcome.

    yeah well done for your "news" article... reliable source.

    why dont you open your mind and actually ring and ask him what you like?

    we just going around in circles. we shalle have to agree to disargee yes?

    They are allowed to become associate members, not full members. They are not allowed to become full members because of the colour of their skin, end of. It doesn't get any simpler then that.

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  • Report | Quote Posted: Fri 21st Nov 2008, 11:49 am

    DarkKnight. wrote:

    The reason for me thinking it is right that BNP members should not be in the police force is the simple fact that if they have that power they are gonna use it to discriminate against ethnic minorities and foreigners.

    Im not saying all of them will as I do know that not every single member of the BNP is racist,however there are many that are.

    I just dont think that kind of power should be given to someone with prejudiced views. The police is one organisation which should be fair.

    I do not disagree that people with racist views should not be put in a position of authority over the public. However the fact that they can pick and choose which political party you are allowed to belong to for a occupation is wrong. It should be all or none.

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  • Report | Quote Posted: Fri 21st Nov 2008, 8:33 pm

    There are many things I dislike about the BNP but I'm going to play devil's advocate.

    Below is a list of groups that, using the same criteria used to define the BNP as a racist organisation, aren't even sniffed at:


    1. Watford Asian Community care

    2. Watford African Caribbean Association

    3. National Black Police Association

    4. Metropolitan Black Police Association

    5. Black Londoners Forum

    6. Black Information Link (BLINK)

    7. Operation Black Vote

    8. Federation of Black Housing Organisations (FBHO)

    9. Black Training Enterprise Group

    10. Southwark Black Heritage Organisation

    11. The Action Group for Irish Youth

    12. Asians In Media (AIM)

    13. Barfi Culture (Asians)

    14. Black Britain

    15. Black Enterprise

    16. Black net Community

    17. The Black Presence In Britain

    18. Black Search

    19. Black UK Online

    20. Board Of Deputies of British Jews

    21. Chinatown Online

    22. Clickwalla (Asian)

    23. Dimsum (Chinese)

    24. Doncaster Chinese

    25. CEMVO

    26. Every Generation (Black)

    27. Jewish.Co.UK

    28. Jewish Telegraph

    29. MMLondon (Asian)

    30. Red Hot Curry (Asian)

    31. National Association of Nigerian Communities - UK (NANC)

    32. Barnsley Black and Ethic Minority Initiative

    Another one, from the BBC surprisingly. "1Xtra - Black Music". What do you suppose would happen if the BBC came out with another station with the tag line "White Music". It'd be shut down immediately and all involved fired.

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